Suppressed Discovery of Giants at Ohio Burial Site--Re: Bible being the Sole Authority??

Re: Bible being the Sole Authority??

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Originally Posted by JonNC lol. Are you not the least bit concerned about the frailty of this approach, continuing with the hypothetical of no scripture. Jon

I would hate it LOL... for I love reading the Bible every single day. It's your hypothetical brother. LOL... However, if it had been the way God chose to do things, I would never question the frailty of the approach, for nothing is impossible for God - Right?

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#482   Today, 3:40 pm

joe370 Regular Member   Join Date: May 21, 2007 Posts: 5,838 Religion: Catholic convert

Re: Bible being the Sole Authority?? Quote: Originally Posted by aidanbradypop I like mt family and my wife is a good cook lol. I would love for everyone to be one church and one faith in Christ. Sadly, there are major obstacles to that dream come true: sola scriptura via individual interpretation, autonomous church (man, as opposed to God) tradition, regardless of denomination, the rejection of church authority, regarding the one church founded by God, and finally, disseminated disinformation/misinformation regarding Jesus' church. __________________ "The great sins of the world are superficial wounds on My Heart, but the sins of a chosen soul pierce My Heart through and through." Jesus to Saint Faustina

#483   Today, 3:46 pm

cheezey New Member   Join Date: December 9, 2012 Posts: 1,200 Religion: I am not who I am yet

Re: Bible being the Sole Authority?? Quote: Originally Posted by joe370 I would hate it LOL... for I love reading the Bible every single day. It's your hypothetical brother. LOL... However, if it had been the way God chose to do things, I would never question the frailty of the approach, for nothing is impossible for God - Right? Right! I have had so many questions about this subject; I am just an observer of this thread, which I am enjoying, and may it be said, it is the most courteous discussion I am reading. (and the list is quite lengthy!!) Nive going, everyone... Continue...... __________________

#484   Today, 4:21 pm

Isaiah45_9 Regular Member Book Club Member   Join Date: June 23, 2011 Posts: 758 Religion: Católico

Re: Bible being the Sole Authority?? Quote: Originally Posted by JonNC Joe, All of this doesn't answer the question. How would you there were apostles and their successors without the written word? Jon Howdy Jon, Since my name is Jose, which can be translated as Joe, I'd like to participate . The same way it happened for the first 400 years or so brother. The same way the Apostles travelled to other cities and Churches spreading the Word and designating others to remain in charge and then send more in the same manner. We would still need to deal with the OT (I know you'll probably ask ), but we also know that there was no such thing as a definite Jewish Canon at the time of our Lord and His Apostles. There was a collection of writings, which were used by Jesus and the Apostles. And it is by them that those writings hold the authority bestowed by God. Not by themselves, but because of Jesus and the Apostles. You know how much I love Scriptures and I am ever so grateful for my years in Protestantism and Reformed Theology because they awaken my love for the written Word. But the written Word made me realize the importance of a Teaching Authority and that this authority is what makes the Scriptures what they are. There is no other Church on the planet that has guarded what we know as the Bible better than the Catholic Church, the chosen Stewart for them. Glory be to God, Peace brother, Jose __________________ Let nothing disturb you, Let nothing frighten you, All things are passing; God only is changeless. Patience gains all things. Who has God is missing nothing. God alone suffices. Santa Teresa de Avila

#485   Today, 4:31 pm

mackbrislawn Regular Member   Join Date: December 17, 2007 Posts: 1,041 Religion: Catholic

Re: Bible being the Sole Authority?? Quote: Originally Posted by JonNC How would you know this without scripture, Mack? Jon For centuries people knew this without scripture. They knew it from the teaching of the Church. And the Church simply assumed the apostles were from God. That is the basic assumption and premise the Church works from. Heck, if the apostles were not from God, the writings they wrote would not be from God either and would not be scripture. Joe370 had a good answer, and I suppose there is frailty in that approach. But that is all we have, like it or not, because it would be circular to decide the apostles were from God simply by reading their own writings. Unless you believe in miracles worked by the saints of the Church throughout the ages. That forms a sort of divine assurance for those who believe in them.

#486   Today, 4:49 pm

Nicea325 Regular Member   Join Date: March 16, 2010 Posts: 5,214 Religion: Catholic

Re: Bible being the Sole Authority?? Quote: Originally Posted by JonNC How would you know this without scripture, Mack? Jon Hello my friend. The only issue I have such an approach is that it seems to be built on a faulty premise: The church and everything tied with it came only AFTER we had the Bible in possession. Yes the OT existed but the church was founded before any NT writing was penned.

#487   Today, 5:05 pm

JonNC Veteran Member   Join Date: December 15, 2007 Posts: 11,947 Religion: evangelical catholic (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod)

Re: Bible being the Sole Authority?? Quote: Originally Posted by joe370 I would hate it LOL... for I love reading the Bible every single day. It's your hypothetical brother. LOL... However, if it had been the way God chose to do things, I would never question the frailty of the approach, for nothing is impossible for God - Right? It isn't the possibilities with god that concern me, but the historic reputation of the human race. Jon __________________ "It would be easy to fill many pages with the declarations of the Confessions of the Evangelical Lutheran Church, and of her great theologians, who, without a dissenting voice, repudiate this doctrine [consubstantiation]... Charles Porterfield Krauth

#488   Today, 5:07 pm

JonNC Veteran Member   Join Date: December 15, 2007 Posts: 11,947 Religion: evangelical catholic (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod)

Re: Bible being the Sole Authority?? Quote: Originally Posted by Isaiah45_9 Howdy Jon, Since my name is Jose, which can be translated as Joe, I'd like to participate . The same way it happened for the first 400 years or so brother. The same way the Apostles travelled to other cities and Churches spreading the Word and designating others to remain in charge and then send more in the same manner. We would still need to deal with the OT (I know you'll probably ask ), but we also know that there was no such thing as a definite Jewish Canon at the time of our Lord and His Apostles. There was a collection of writings, which were used by Jesus and the Apostles. And it is by them that those writings hold the authority bestowed by God. Not by themselves, but because of Jesus and the Apostles. You know how much I love Scriptures and I am ever so grateful for my years in Protestantism and Reformed Theology because they awaken my love for the written Word. But the written Word made me realize the importance of a Teaching Authority and that this authority is what makes the Scriptures what they are. There is no other Church on the planet that has guarded what we know as the Bible better than the Catholic Church, the chosen Stewart for them. Glory be to God, Peace brother, Jose Thanks, Jose. You make some good points. Jon __________________ "It would be easy to fill many pages with the declarations of the Confessions of the Evangelical Lutheran Church, and of her great theologians, who, without a dissenting voice, repudiate this doctrine [consubstantiation]... Charles Porterfield Krauth