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=brb3;10279802]Yes, they had OT circumcision, for the males ....what was requirement for women ?

Now, Trinitarian water baptism became the Norm on that first Pentecost / birth of NT Church.
Women were ASSUMED and Included through the husband or father to be included in the OT Covenant.
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thanks -- it is interesting to see the invention of religious catholic belief --

some times faith in santa claus is the same as religious belief

where the simple truth of the doing what the torah required

The writer of "The Epistle to the Messianic Hebrews" challenges the believers to leave behind the foundational principles of faith in Messiah,

and to press on to maturity.

Once the foundations of the faith have been laid firmly and the "milk" of the word has strengthened us, it is time for some real meat.

One of the foundations of faith listed in Hebrews is "the doctrine of baptisms" (plural), yet in the Christian world very little is known about baptism.


What is known is filtered through a Greek mind-set and ignorance of the Hebrew practice of the "mikveh" from which "baptism" is loosely translated.




John the Baptist was not a Baptist, nor was his name John—

his name was Yohannan ben Zechariah, the son of an Aaronic priest. He did not invent some "new thing",


but was performing that of which every Israelite was intimately familiar—

yet of which the average Christian is clueless.

He was "mikveh-ing" Israelites in the Jordan River when he first met the promised Messiah, Yahshua.

Every Israelite understood what Yochannan was doing in the Jordan, but the religious leaders could not understand why he was performing the Mikveh outside of their authorized religious system.



Join Rood on the banks of the beautiful Jordan River near his home in Israel as he opens the believer's eyes to the depths of

"The Mikveh - the Doctrine of Baptisms". Once this foundation of the faith is understood, we may then move on to maturity.
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In Acts, it says the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus; is it sufficient just to baptize in the name of Jesus or does it need the Trinitarian blessing? I was having this discussion with a protestant and it left me thinking if the disciples actually followed Jesus' commandment to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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Did John the Baptist get baptized? Who did it or did he baptize himself? When Jesus came to be baptized, why didn't John ask Jesus to baptize him?
This is "way out there", but perhaps he was to be born at the time of Christ, he was already baptized before being born "in some way". Then he started baptizing later on. Or, he baptized himself in the waters while praying. But overall, I don't think scripture mentions.
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thanks -- for this thread

it is interesting to see how the development of false beliefs are developed,

i have studied under a few Hebrew roots scholars--some of the answers show why Saint Paul warned about believing myths and traditions of men..

kind a like Valentine day, as some one how it came about and you get many different beliefs. duh?? maybe if it sounds good. it must be true..

it's been the tradition for years to believe --"fill-in-da-blank" so it must be true.

Hermeneutics (/hɜrməˈnjuːtɪks/), broadly, is the art and science of text interpretation.
Exegesis involves an extensive and critical interpretation of a text, especially of a holy scripture, such as of the Old and New Testaments of the Bible, the Talmud, the Midrash, the Qur'an, etc. An exegete is a practitioner of this science, and the adjectival form is exegetic.

The word exegesis means "to draw the meaning out of" a given text. Exegesis may be contrasted with eisegesis, which means to read one's own interpretation into a given text. In general, exegesis presumes an attempt to view the text objectively, while eisegesis implies more subjectivity.

One may encounter the terms exegesis and hermeneutics used interchangeably; however, there remains a distinction.
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=Rozell1;10342275]In Acts, it says the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus; is it sufficient just to baptize in the name of Jesus or does it need the Trinitarian blessing? I was having this discussion with a protestant and it left me thinking if the disciples actually followed Jesus' commandment to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Matthew 28:19-20

AND JESUS SAY'S " [19] Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. [20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world"
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In Acts, it says the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus; is it sufficient just to baptize in the name of Jesus or does it need the Trinitarian blessing? I was having this discussion with a protestant and it left me thinking if the disciples actually followed Jesus' commandment to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

well my experience is that " if it does not lead to Jesus baptising you with the Holy Spirit" then all you did was get "wet"

1sam10, acts19,acts 10 is an example of what happens .. most protestants and roman catholics weem to "just get wet"
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Women were ASSUMED and Included through the husband or father to be included in the OT Covenant.
well these jewish woman seem to have a different opinion than you

the mikvah--(baptism) how a woman does it-- and why !

"Mikvah: Splish Splash Is It a Jewish Bath?"

Ep. 6, Season 2



tp://JewintheCity.com and http://MikvahCalendar.com answer:

What's a mikvah?

Who goes to it & why?

JITC's wig by http://Freeda.com (click "more" for rest of credits)


shot and edited by Elliot Gabor http://eliecreative.com
co-special effects by Elliot Gabor and Jack Kamhaji http://craftv.com
clothes by http://Junees.com
stylist Sharon Langert http://fashion-isha.com
makeup: Jenna Hanley http://jennahanley.com and Bleema Weinstein https://facebook.com/bleemasheadquarters
music by: Shalsheles "Esah Einai"
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production assistants: David Khabinsky, Lisa Dolan, Annie Dolan

Thank you to the Teaneck Mikvah for allowing us to film there!


http://youtu.be/ge-RFQUbrFg


thanks for this string i also have learned more about the baptism--

what john's role was

and what Jesus's role is
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