Originally Posted by Yarddog
Regardless of this oral handing down of tradition as you believe it was
practised before anything was written down, then what was written down
would not be contrary to that so called oral tradition, but it is. I would rather participate in a practice which Jesus taught the Apostles and which they continued to practice before scripture was written down. One which the Apostles taught the Bishops and which all of the Bishops taught their sheep to observe from east to west and whom all had the same teaching. One which the Church has participated in for nigh 2000 years.
This comparison to the old system for the sacrifice of sins was being replaced as something that will not be practised in the New Covenant.
Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
That means that singular sacrifice was only done by Him once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Again, the comparison to the old system in verse 11 of the continuing sacrifice for sins means there will be no continuing sacrifice for sins in the new. The fact that He is at the right hand of God means "it is finished" as He had said at the cross: John 19:30 so that He is not needing to be offered up any more.
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: ...
The fact that you do have the Holy Ghost has proven that you had received the remission of sins and are sanctified forever and thus saved.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Now what happens if a believer continues to sin by refusing to believe that knowledge of the truth that there is no more sacrifice for sin?
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
That is like saying that the Son's sacrifice for sin wasn't good enough in having saved you. Pretty insulting to God, brother.
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
You are saved for believing in Jesus Christ, brother, but what you had allowed the RCC to build on that foundation are wood, stubble, and hay of works that deny Him.
Making the bread & the wine more than what it is and thus calling it a sacrament is making it an idol.
1 Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say. 16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? 17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. 18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? 19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? 20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. 21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
As I understand it, the blessings from the priests makes this Eucharist possible in the Mass, thus how can it not be provoking the Lord to jealousy?
You don't even "Tell a good story".
Again, the claim of oral traditions being handed down would not go contrary to what the apostles had written down, but it does and thus proves the oral tradition was not handed down from the apostles after all.
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