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Re: Baptists, Evangelicals and the Baptismal Sacrament
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John 6:53 (Douay Rheims)Show with Knox Bible :: New Jerusalem Bible :: Latin Vulgate :: Haydock CommentaryBible passage courtesy of VeritasBible.com 1 Cor 11:27 (Douay Rheims)Bible passage courtesy of VeritasBible.com You (and this Todd Braye fellow) seem to be saying that the primary character of baptism is to be seen doing it, to publicly identify one's self as a Christian, which, to borrow Mr. Braye's language, is something "outside the Word of God."
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Re: Baptists, Evangelicals and the Baptismal Sacrament
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That's secondary to the topic.
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"Conversion is like stepping across the chimney piece out of a Looking-Glass world, where everything is an absurd caricature, into the real world God made; and then begins the delicious process of exploring it limitlessly." --Evelyn Waugh, writer, Catholic convert (1930)
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hello this might give you more understanding Conversation started March 19 3:37pm Cat Answer A Teaching on M ikvah/Immersion/Baptism It simply began by wanting to re-familiarize myself with what I always considered to be one of the first acts of obedience after a new Believer accepts Messiah into their spiritual heart —the act of baptism. I felt that this task should be easy enough to refresh myself during a quiet day of Shabbat! But from the beginning of settling into my spiritual feeding, what I thought I knew began to unravel itself, and what I thought I understood became only a shadow of what should be known. The teaching of baptism has haphazardly been taught throughout many generations of the Church Age. But Yahweh, in His love and concern for this last Church Period, is restoring those who deeply seek out His pure ways of worship. Ahhhh . . . how I love His timely teachings! It began in Hebrews, where I read: Heb 6:1-3 1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits. What Yahweh permitted on this day was the intrigue that caught my eye concerning the wording of verse two which states, “the doctrine of baptisms.” e Baptism(s)! —Plural! At that point a flood of other verses started to come into my head. Luke 3:16 16 John (the baptizer) answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 1 Cor 12:13 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free — and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. In those two verses alone, it speaks of four types of baptisms: e water e the Holy Spirit e fire e identification of Yeshua within the body of Believers I always considered baptism a one-time event in life. But now I am realizing that there are different baptisms, indeed! Just as Hebrews 6:2 has now revealed in “the doctrine of baptisms.” “The mikvah/ritual bath was of great importance to the first century Jew. It was understood that if a community or village had only enough money for a synagogue or a mikvah, the mikvah would be built first. The Torah speaks of numerous things that make a person Tomeh/ritually unclean, and a number of processes of purification. The one act required in all purification processes was immersion in the mikvah. 
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Re: Baptists, Evangelicals and the Baptismal Sacrament
In Hebrews 6:2, the Amplified version reads just a bit different
referring “the doctrine of baptisms” as being “ teachings about
purifying;” having the word ‘teachings’ pluralized. Along with
‘teachings’ was the word, ‘purifying,’ which brought together for me
where I needed to begin. For everything taught in the New Covenant will
and should have its foundation laid within the Old.
I began my search by looking up all the verses that I could find pertaining to baptism and purification. I then remembered that a writing had already been done for another study on the historical aspect of purification, so I re-read what had been put together years ago. Once I felt satisfied that I could go no further, I then turned my attention toward other Believers who, like myself, have searched this matter out before me. My first stop was with Michael Rood, a Messianic evangelist, who has done a three-part series of what he collectively calls, “The Mikvah - Doctrine of Baptisms.” His teaching included six types of mikvah-ings: e Purification e Repentance e Identification with Yeshua e Spirit e Fire e Suffering Yet, I clearly see a seventh that was not mentioned in his teaching: Sanctification Having had the word mikvah previously introduced in my life, the element that there were many different types took me off guard and still had me a bit puzzled after completing the teaching from Michael Rood. For me, a mikvah was the contained place that pooled the water; whereas, Michael Rood used the word ‘mikvah’ as also the act of being mikvah(ed). I came to accept it to be similar to the wording that we baptize in a baptismal. I had not ever given thought of the place and the act of mikvah being so similarly used, but it simply became a matter of wording within his teaching. This is not to criticize, but to give a bit of explanation to anyone else researching water purification from the Old Covenant and the elements of ‘types’ that are found within the New Covenant. Because of the teaching from Michael Rood, a door was opened for me to walk through and the understanding was astounding. Very briefly, let me share with you what was gathered directly from his teaching; along with what I understood prior to this research. The act of Mikvah, as related in the first three, have everything to do with the covering over with water: e Purification e Repentant obedience; as in the immersion spoken of in Matthew 28 e Identifying with Messiah through His act of burial and resurrection into a new life 2 The final four have to do with our spiritual walk as we are covered over, immersed, and engulfed with the Holy Spirit sent from both, the Father and the Son! They are: e Receiving the Holy Spirit; sealing each Believer for the day of redemption e Being Spirit-filled by holy fire through His teachings, fruit-bearing, and gifts e Sufferings; as we learn His ways by laying down our own self-will e Sanctification; being set apart from this world; walking a Spirit-filled life Introduction to Mikvah/Immersion Part 1: Immersion for Ritual Purity Part II: Immersion in the Holy Temple Part III: Customs of Immersion Part IV: Immersion Into Messiah Part V: A Mikvah/Immersion Service Part VI: The complete book in one file for downloading http://www.haydid.org/ledevar.htm |
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